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Post by lmofle on Nov 11, 2002 0:40:14 GMT -5
Wait...unfair!! I didn't get to see it tonight!!! Had to go to Wurstfest!! What happened!! :_
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Post by LS on Nov 11, 2002 1:32:53 GMT -5
Man, this one was too good...totally mind blowing. Catch the repeat...it's on again Monday (tonight). If ya miss it, then I'll tell you (don't wanna wreck it for you, in case you can catch it). But trust me, try to catch this one- you've really gotta see it for yourself...it'll definitely suffer in a "verbal" description!!
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Post by DRL on Nov 12, 2002 18:31:34 GMT -5
I have'nt really watched the show that much enough to know what's going on but I won the pool at work. I have to agree with LS you have to see this episode it's really kinda of hard to explain. I tried to tell someone today and it just didn't work.
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Post by Roughneck on Nov 13, 2002 0:26:02 GMT -5
I wonder how Tony's gonna clean this mess up. 5 seconds of misjudgement took half the hour to clean up, and that's not counting the aftermath. He now has to "find" Ralph's killer. He also has to prove that he can protect his capos. Once he finds a scapegoat, he needs to do something about it. It looks like he's going to pick Johnny Sacks. Also, how is Valantina going to take it? She may have broken up with him, but will she have at least that much concern?
Also, Tony now sees how coked up Christopher is. Think Tony might have second thoughts? Paulie also seems to be becoming very discontented, and people seem to be irked by always being second guessed. think Tony's empire is crumbling around him?
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Post by lmofle on Nov 13, 2002 12:51:34 GMT -5
I did get to catch it Mon night and WOW!...This years writing seems to jump around alot. I remember the 1st 2 seasons, each episode tied to one another like it was a soap opera. This year, they seem to jump around a whole bunch!! The Columbus Day episode...all the stuff about Christopher getting married and the Feds coming in on them. I know eventually it will tie in but this year it seems to jump around a whole lot...
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Post by Roughneck on Nov 13, 2002 14:09:37 GMT -5
I noticed that too. All of a sudden, Agent Ciccerone, or whoever it was that took over Adrianna's case, is nowhere to be found. I also have to wonder about the stability of a man who can go from concerned as Tony was to a murderous rage that quickly. You'd have never seen it coming when he first entered Ralph's house. And Ralph was all friendly towards Tony, but then turned to his usual self.
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Post by LS on Nov 13, 2002 17:11:30 GMT -5
Last season was the same way...they still haven't tied a lot of that stuff up yet- like Melfi's rape and the Russians. I think a lot of it isn't going to be tied up till the series finale next year...or whenever the last season finally airs...then things will fall into place. I doubt that Valentina's going to care much...especially if they pin the blame on somebody else...or it's just never solved. After all, Adrianna honestly thought Ritchie Aprile was in the witness protection program, until the Feds told her he wasn't. They've got two roads to go with Ralphie's "disappearance"...Everyone know's Johnny's got it in for him, (and he almost did go all the way and cap him)- especially after the joke about his wife- even his boss Carmine knows that...And Paulie threatened to kill him if he proved it was Ralphie that made the call to his mother, and Christopher and Silvio were witness to that. Considering Ralphie and Patsy figured out it was Paulie's nephew that was feeding info to Paulie in jail, and Paulie was feeding it to Johnny...Ralphie's dead...but Patsy's not, and if he tells Tony that Paulie's the one that's been ratting him out- that just may solve a problem for Tony- by letting Paulie take the blame for Ralphie's "disappearance." Nah, as soon as the trainer said the fire started because of a blown out bulb...and then Tony looked at the bulb- he saw it was shot out- not blown out, and he headed to Ralphie's, I knew Ralphie was behind it...just didn't expect it to go that far... (Yeesh...they've never gotten quite that graphic before!!) But that's all part of Tony's psyche...he's got a real soft spot for animals...Remember how the 1st season started off with the ducks?? That's why he keeps the seed behind his house- he's waiting for them to come back...and then the beginning of this one, when he heard the noise in the bushes- he thought his ducks had come back, and was disappointed to see it was only a squirrel. He took to that horse, and the horse took to him...it was like an unconditional love that was there, no matter what ever he did or who he was- he didn't have to prove himself, the horse just loved him back.
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Post by Roughneck on Nov 19, 2002 13:21:23 GMT -5
Well, it seems that Tony is really going to try to pin this one on Johnny. Question is, how are his guys gonna find something that ain't there? Also there's the fact that even his own guys think he's the one with the biggest motive to kill Ralph, and they're not happy about it.
And Christopher is pretty much written off for the season. Poor guy got sent to my d@mn neck of the woods. Obviously Tony has to rethink exactly who is taking over his empire...if it lasts long. I found it comical watching all the guys get into a big brawl. also this is the first time Christopher has hit Adrianna, right? The drugs are just hitting him more and more.
I really think something is going to happen between Furio and Carmella. I think they've been playing with it too long for it to dissapear. Not to mention why start it now?
I personally think they are laying the groundwork for the end of the series. They said it would most likely be only one more seaon after this, and they'd probably need a full season to convincingly close it up. Tony's entire empire seems to be crumbling around him, and overall it seems there is much less action this season, although I still need to see season 3. They can't end the series without a big finale, can't just have them going to the next day, and at the same time they can't just have Tony get clipped out of nowhere. Tony almost has to die at the end of the series, or at least jail or WP. but there seems to be dissension in the ranks from every corner.
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Post by LS on Nov 19, 2002 21:01:16 GMT -5
Well, it seems that Tony is really going to try to pin this one on Johnny. Question is, how are his guys gonna find something that ain't there? Well, they ain't found Jimmy Hoffa yet either, have they?? Eh, a little "intervention"...Italian style- lol!! 'Twas almost as funny as when Paulie & Christopher got lost in the woods...after they lost the Russian. And yeah, this is the first time he really belted Adrianna. Like I said...this season is just twisting and turning way too much, and things are turning out to go the opposite of the way things start looking they're gonna fall...so I give up even trying to make any guesses... But hey enough already...I think more critters have bought the farm this year than people!! I'm surprized PETA's not all over them for that yet...Geeze- don't they have enough problems with all those Italian-American groups blasting them??
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Post by LS on Dec 1, 2002 23:12:17 GMT -5
Ok Roughneck...after last week's very strange trip... Furio realized things were getting out of hand and took off, Camella's going into a deep depression because of it, Paulie found out Johnny screwed him so now he's trying to kiss up to Tony...only Tony don't trust him, and now Johnny suggested a hit on Carmine ... Obviously, somebody gets whacked next week- care to speculate?? ;D
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Post by Roughneck on Dec 1, 2002 23:44:41 GMT -5
Forgot to tell you, I don't get home until 9:30 so I wait to catch it at 12 on HBO West on satallite.
I'm remembering way back in season 2 Tony had a dream about shooting Paulie. My guess is that it (Paulie) will happen eventually. I'm assuming no one got wacked this week, maybe after I actually see it later I'll be able to speculate about next week. My guess is that Paulie was supposed to get wacked this season, but after they extended the show to season 5 they decided to push it back. It just seems too quick with Paulie. They would use the plot to better set up a hit as oppossed to 2nd degree like Ralphie. They first got wind of Pussy about the middle of season 1, it took until the end of 2 to resolve that. My guess is Paulie will last until the 3rd or 4th episode next season. Maybe Johnny gets it next week. I haven't seen season 3 yet, but from what I understand, friendship or no friendship, tension has been building with New York and Johnny in particular for some time now. Paulie's dillema then is that whereas he previously had Johnny to fall back on when dissatissfied with Tony, he doesn't anymore. I wonder how far in advance they write seasons, as they clearly seemed to foreshadow Paulie getting it.
I also think that they may do season 6. The article on Van Zandt said he forsees at least one more season of the Sopranos. He knows he's doing season 5, if he says forsees, and at least, there is hope for season 6.
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Post by Roughneck on Dec 2, 2002 1:31:19 GMT -5
Ok, now I've seen it. Paulie is way out of control! He could use some therapy about his little Oedipus complex. I know every good boy loves his mother, but sheesh! Then he went and ended up killing Minn, and he's super indignent with the entire crew over his lack of performance. Seniority doesn't work when you don't perform. Then the whole deal with Johnny going down...He just may get it next week. And how bout the whole deal with Furio?! I could feel his contempt for Tony coming off the screen over the way Tony treats Carmella, and his manners. I knew something was up when the rotor was spinning in the background. Think he'll show up later on down the road, or is he history? Carmella ain't hiding it too well either. Meadow smelled a rat real fast and knows what's goign on, and Carmella is now taking her grief out on everyone else. Not that Tony was the person to go to for emotional support anyway, but for this obviously she REALLY can't go to him. Then the hit on Carmine...I think that's probablly more likely. Thing with that is, Johnny then gets rid of Carmine, then he gets to go after Tony for that. If he were to eliminate Tony that would leave him in a prime position to become boss of New York and Norht Jersey. I'm wondering abou the preview though. Christopher is apparently clean, remarkabley so for someone as coked up as he was. Wonder what the deal with that is. Also, was that Adrianna or Meadow with the red face, and did that look like tears or a beating. I doubt Meadow got beat by her boyfriend, too much of a distraction from the season wrap up. Maybe she got dumped. And what's with that whole park set up? Who drives a large black SUV? Tony's is maroon, and obviously if he dies you lose the show this season rather than next. Ralphie seems to have been completely forgotten about in all this. Not like the mob to let that happen, especially with someone as high up as Ralph was. I also have to think this season was geared to be the last with the extended finale, which was changed whan they decided to continue the series. Oh well, time will tell. One thing I definetely think they need to do if they keep it going is bring in new blood. The family tree over at the website has far too many pins on it. By that I mean far too many people are dead to keep it interesting for much longer. If it continues, they need new people.
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Post by LS on Dec 3, 2002 13:24:11 GMT -5
Ok, now I've seen it. Paulie is way out of control! LOL ya think?? Yep- definitely some serious issues there. Ever notice how pissed he's always gotten whenever anyone rags on him for being the only one not married?? Could be, but I don't think quite yet though. He's got a set big enough to confront Johnny on it- and Tony & Silvio already feel he can't be trusted- and once you loose trust there- it's pretty unlikely to gain it back, cause there'll always be a question mark. That's why even though the Puss was Tony's childhood friend- it didn't count for anything in the end. If somebody sells you out once, you can't trust 'em not to sell you out again. Nope, I don't think that's the last we'll see of Furio. I smell a trip to Naples by Carmella coming on. Now that Meadow's been "enlightened" to the fact Tony's been in therapy, and that Carmella has gone with him a few times...and since she figured out what's up with her mother- I think Meadow's gonna talk her into some therapy of her own. Melfi might have "lost" one Soprano as a patient, but I think she's gonna wind up with another...I think it's possible from there- Melfi convinces her that she's gotta figure out if she's really in love with Furio, or if it's just some "fantasy" she's in love with...whether she's no longer in love with Tony- and is just craving the attention Furio was giving her- which is what she really wants from Tony. I think then she's going to go to Naples and find Furio to get her answers as to whether she's really in love with Furio, or if it was just the fact that someone was looking at her as a still desirable woman. That's a tough one- one "small" roadblock- Little Carmine. If Carmine gets whacked, Little Carmine most likely takes over, by blood rights. Little Carmine turned around on the golf course and turned on both Tony & Johnny. Much as Johnny wants Tony out of the way- he was betrayed by Little Carmine- so right now, after being dissed by his own family, he's got a bigger beef there. Ah, the wonders of film. ;D It's rarely done in real time- so there's no telling how much time has elapsed. Some people are in and out of rehab in two weeks- the average is usually 4 to 6 weeks though. So it's feasable. Hmmm...missed that blurb!! Maybe it was Adrianna, and something happened with the wedding plans since that was coming up soon?? Been trying to figure that one out. The only one I remember that had a black one was Christopher- and it got stolen. Ralphie wasn't exactly loved by anyone and I don't think anyone's really broken up he "disappeared." Nothing was really made of it when Ritchie "disappeared" either- no questions were asked, and no explanations were given- he was just gone, like he was never there. When Adrianna mentioned the witness protection program- that was the only time his name was mentioned since they "disposed" of him (outside of a couple of wisecracks about it between Christopher & Tony only). There was more of a reaction when Jackie Jr. got whacked, and he didn't have that big a part and wasn't even around that long. No, last season was supposed to be it, and then half way through, Chase begrugingly agreed to two more seasons. That's why it was a year and a half between last season and this season. He needed time to find what direction he was going to take and how he was going to end things. I'm almost positive every previous season finale was an extended episode too.
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Post by LS on Dec 3, 2002 13:25:39 GMT -5
Well, we've got Little Carmine now, and depending on next week- that could shape up to be it right there...He'd definitely be a tougher adversary than Carmine or Johnny. If it is Carmine that gets wacked, then Johnny might flip over to Tony's side...Steve said he's pretty confident Silvio will last through next season, so if Paulie gets it- I don't think it'll be till next season. Adrianna's still got the Feds to deal with, then there's the wedding and will Christopher stay clean, there's the thing with Carmella & Furio, and I think there may be something still ahead for Melfi & Tony. So they still have plenty to work with, and a lot of loose ends to tie up.
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Post by Roughneck on Dec 3, 2002 22:43:51 GMT -5
Yeah, Paulie is always the one with the biggest female issues. That, and Nucci, and everything else gets into a whole area of Oedipus and whatnot that is probably as much philosopher as shrink territory.
I thought Paulie was too fast for next week anyway. I do think Paulie's gonna get it though, maybe by the end of next season. Because he didn't go to the Feds they may want more evidence of what he did. They don't even have a crime yet, just Paulie actting weird. Here's a scenerio: we see Christopher's out. It's a black SUV that gets shot up, they probably found Christopher's, Adrianna was probably the one crying...maybe it's Christopher. Adrianna would definetely cry, and it would be something that we don't expect. And if it's Carmine, that opens the door for a new character, Little Carmine. What was the part where he turned on them on the golf course though? The only problem with Little Carmine coming up, doesn't he have enough on his plate in Miami. This isn't expanding to a neighboring area, this is a 3 hour plane ride away.
When I rented them on DVD they didn't seem to be longer. I'll check the counter next time I watch them. Maybe Chase will give us season 6, but worse than losing the series after 5 seasons would be watching the whole series go stale. You can only wack so many guys and run so many rackets before it becomes a retread. Chase probably wants to make sure the show goes out at the top rather than die a slow forgotten death that ends the series out of necessity.
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