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Post by Roughneck on Jul 8, 2004 19:34:05 GMT -5
Found a nice little piece posted on another board, The Boy Who Cried Iraq. Basically says it all. [/size][/move] [/size][/move]
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Post by LS on Jul 8, 2004 22:27:43 GMT -5
...Or to sum it up another way - "Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear- kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor- with the cry of grave national emergency.
Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it ..." - General Douglas MacArthur, 1957Seems some things never change. He pretty much covered most of my observations and thoughts on the subject (sometimes very amusingly ;D )- though he missed a few and there's been a lot of new events that happened since the essay was written...and I never bought the WMD thing for a minute from the get-go. In light of the way the Gulf War went- it personally just never added up to me. I'm just curious though...a year later- has the 'unpatriotic' and 'un-American' sentiment subsided (aside from the hard-core neocons) or has it pretty much run it's course since most of the initial 'un-American' arguments against it have become a reality??
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Post by snizz on Jul 9, 2004 0:28:02 GMT -5
I think I need one of those speed reading courses! It follows my train of thinking fairly well too. It's hard to tell Red. I think the fear factor that was rampant back then has worn off a little and more people are starting to come around, but I still run into enough who refuse to see it and believe anything the government tells them.
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Post by Roland on Jul 9, 2004 22:43:03 GMT -5
I agree with snizz too LS. I think the 9/11 Commission brought to light a lot of information that there was a lot of false information presented to the American people and the world, the real perpetrators of 9/11 have still not been caught and brought to justice, Iraq has not been the walk in the park many were led to believe it would be and nobody's any safer with Hussein gone and Iraq "liberated." It's still out there, but I see the "unpatriotic" and "un-American" rhetoric dying down to mostly regional pockets. Today, even the conservative newspapers were blasting Ridge and the administration about the lastest round of baseless "warnings."
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Post by SweetNadine on Jul 12, 2004 19:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by Roland on Jul 14, 2004 21:06:13 GMT -5
I enjoy that dry British sense of humor, they always get right to the heart of the matter. For the most part they also maintain a level of being honorable, at least Mr. Blair has taken full responsibility for the gaffes made directly and indirectly on his part. The "War On Terrorism" is nothing more than another of those politically motivated abstract maneuvers. Decades later, the "War On Poverty" hasn't eliminated poverty and the "War On Drugs" hasn't eliminated illegal drugs.
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Post by Roughneck on Jul 14, 2004 21:54:30 GMT -5
I also give him credit that he's not trying to disavow his original reasons like Bush is. all of a sudden the primary reason for going to war was the free the Iraqi people. Didn't hear too much about them before the war. Now all of a sudden the WMD were a secondary motive. Who has amnesia?
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Post by Roland on Jul 14, 2004 22:05:05 GMT -5
I also give him credit that he's not trying to disavow his original reasons like Bush is. all of a sudden the primary reason for going to war was the free the Iraqi people. Didn't hear too much about them before the war. Now all of a sudden the WMD were a secondary motive. Who has amnesia? It's not so much amnesia. I watch a fair amount of the BBC and I've noticed the British are the first to admit they're very poor liars.
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Post by Roughneck on Jul 14, 2004 22:14:15 GMT -5
It's not so much amnesia. I watch a fair amount of the BBC and I've noticed the British are the first to admit they're very poor liars. I was reffering to Cheny's comment that Kerry and Edwards have amnesia about their prowar votes-the ones based on bad info.
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Post by snizz on Jul 14, 2004 22:25:12 GMT -5
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Post by Roughneck on Jul 14, 2004 22:34:16 GMT -5
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Post by Southbound on Jul 15, 2004 15:19:26 GMT -5
I agree with snizz too LS. I think the 9/11 Commission brought to light a lot of information that there was a lot of false information presented to the American people and the world, the real perpetrators of 9/11 have still not been caught and brought to justice, Iraq has not been the walk in the park many were led to believe it would be and nobody's any safer with Hussein gone and Iraq "liberated." It's still out there, but I see the "unpatriotic" and "un-American" rhetoric dying down to mostly regional pockets. Today, even the conservative newspapers were blasting Ridge and the administration about the lastest round of baseless "warnings." Not so fast. Whoopi gets fired for telling an old joke that's been around 4 years since the last election because "Some conservative groups and GOP supporters had threatened to boycott Slim-Fast products if it did not take action."? Yo, when Slim-Fast hired her, she had a politically themed sitcom on TV and she's known for her offcolor humor and they hired her anyway. I say they break even on this one. How about all the people who'll boycott them now because they see them as being hypocrites that buckled to neocon pressure and see it as surpressing freedom of speech? And holy cripes! John Mellencamp had the balls to call Bush a "thug," Chevy Chase called him a "liar" and "bright as an egg timer," and Paul Newman called his tax cuts "borderline criminal"! Poor Bush's all upset now because people called him names and the GOP is demanding the release of the tapes of the performances at the fundraiser. They don't think this is how most Americans view Bush! They've got some set demanding the Democrats release meaningless petty BS when they refuse to release all the information the American people have been demanding about all their shady business dealings and policies that've affected us since they took office. And they accuse Kerry of running a negative campaign? Boo-hoo.
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Post by Roland on Jul 17, 2004 19:34:37 GMT -5
Take the lastest round of hypocrisy from where it comes Southbound. These are the same people who live by the creed "do as I say, not as I do." Whoopi, I have no doubt, can well take care of herself and they'll more than likely rue the day they took her on. I wonder though, since the latest FCC crackdown on lewdness and profanity over the airwaves, does this mean TV and radio stations will institute a 20 second delay during the Vice Presidential debate? ;D
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Post by Roughneck on Jul 17, 2004 19:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by LS on Jul 20, 2004 0:00:07 GMT -5
Take the lastest round of hypocrisy from where it comes Southbound. These are the same people who live by the creed "do as I say, not as I do." Whoopi, I have no doubt, can well take care of herself and they'll more than likely rue the day they took her on. I wonder though, since the latest FCC crackdown on lewdness and profanity over the airwaves, does this mean TV and radio stations will institute a 20 second delay during the Vice Presidential debate? ;D LOL!! Perfect example of hypocrisy ...Somebody buy the man a beer!! ;D ;D Then there's all the other subtle little nuances that seem to slip under the radar... Like SlimFast is now owned by a foreign conglomerate...but nobody's pointed out that the SlimFast arm of Unilever is headquartered in none other than...Florida!! It's kinda like when Homeland Security was handing out the funds and somehow Wyoming got the biggest slice of the pie...only nobody pointed out that when Cheney's not at 'an undisclosed location' ...he just so happens to reside in that huge, booming metropolis called- Wyoming!! Shoot- good old Whoopi?? They forget that ancient proverb...'Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned.' ;D Just read a couple of unlikely candidates for controversy- Linda Rondstadt and Sir Elton have found themselves the latest targets...I think it's saying there's something definitely wrong in this country when people who characteristically have never been politically motivated like the Springsteens and Rondstadts start speaking out...
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