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Post by SanAntonioMike on Oct 6, 2002 15:56:17 GMT -5
No matter where you go you wil always be SAM to us. My mom always said "Things happen for a reason" maybe something will come up and you'll be able to stay in Texas. It's a good thought, but things are moving pretty fast. Next week Miss Scarlett will be flying out there to start getting organized; she'll be finding an apartment and heading out there before the rest of us. Not just the holidays, but we don't want to uproot the kids in the middle of the semester.
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Styles
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Post by Styles on Oct 6, 2002 16:34:00 GMT -5
SAM, I was talkin' to a fella last night from Northern South Dakota. 90 below zero was common place so Arizona is not all that bad! Good luck with whatever decision you choose. It's not easy but then again I'd have never wound up in Omaha.
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Post by SanAntonioMike on Oct 6, 2002 17:15:11 GMT -5
SAM, I was talkin' to a fella last night from Northern South Dakota. 90 below zero was common place so Arizona is not all that bad! Good luck with whatever decision you choose. It's not easy but then again I'd have never wound up in Omaha. I'm SURE I couldn't handle South Dakota!!! Knew a fellow from there once who told me they could go from 110 in the summer to that 90 below zero in the winter... I think I'd go mad. The average mean temperature in good ol' San Antone is so nice.... Omaha? Well, they ought know what to do with them hogs down there for sure.
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Post by Wildrider on Oct 6, 2002 18:52:16 GMT -5
Hey, SAM, you know when I say I don't want more people moving to Arizona I don't mean that to include people I actually LIKE. There's at least ONE decent honky-tonk here... and the store where Waylon bought his guitar... but I don't know if I can give you much more to live for... (I love my state, but I can't say a lot for this city...) Bush scares the living heck out of me. A friend and I have been talking about this recent batch of idiocy, and she sent me a link to an article ( www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/10/06/MN1019.DTL ) which really terrifes..
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Post by LS on Oct 6, 2002 19:52:56 GMT -5
It constantly embarrasses me that Dubya is Texan. SAM darlin'...what's happened to your sense of rationalization?? ;D DuHbya is a faux Texan!! He's about as a much a Texan as a bagel is...His old man's from Maine!! DuHbya was born and raised in CT!! He took slacker courses at Harvard...and his crowning achievement there was, that he was head cheerleader (how's that for macho athleticism?? ) He just moved to Texas cause he wanted to play cowboy...you know, pretend like he was a real man.
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Post by SanAntonioMike on Oct 6, 2002 19:57:31 GMT -5
SAM darlin'...what's happened to your sense of rationalization?? ;D DuHbya is a faux Texan!! He's about as a much a Texan as a bagel is...His old man's from Maine!! DuHbya was born and raised in CT!! He took slacker courses at Harvard...and his crowning achievement there was, that he was head cheerleader (how's that for macho athleticism?? ) He just moved to Texas cause he wanted to play cowboy...you know, pretend like he was a real man. Well, Sis, you know that and I know that, but there's a whole HEAP of people what DON'T know that, and THEY think he's a Texan!!! If he didn't play up the accent and that "ah shucks" style and the boots and everything, it'd be a heap easier. (Man's got the meanest eyes I've ever seen on a human being.) One of my favorite episodes of "King of the Hill" had Hank meeting Duhbya and being horrified because he had a slack, clammy handshake... (I need that "wicked grin" smiley right now... )
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Post by Mr._Shooter on Oct 8, 2002 16:26:40 GMT -5
As many of you know, I'm a conservative Republican. You would expect me to be rooting for King George II with gigantic pom poms and air horns. But guess what? I'm not enamored of his plans for this nation's military. He's thisclose to involving our troops in a protracted struggle that will net nothing but Americans in body bags. That's not patriotism; it's lunacy. That's not waging war; it's being unable to see the forest for the trees.
Recall that W campaigned on such issues as educational reforms, lower taxes and military restructuring (following clueless Clinton's evisceration of the Pentagon). These were noble goals, to be sure. But has he accomplished ANY of them? Nope. Not even close. To be fair, there was the matter of 9-11, which of course would have thrown any president's administration off course. And W's campaign against terrorism both at home and abroad is not to be given short shrift (if anything, there should be MORE emphasis on this particular subject). That being said, the president lately has appeared to be adrift in a sea of Iraq-centered priorities, a troubling development given our nation's financial instability and the various domestic bugbears that currently plague us. Query whether there is any greater threat posed by Saddam today than there was a year ago. According to the experts, it seems safe to say the Saddam is as big a bastard today as he was a decade ago. In other words, there is really no cause--no trigger, if you will pardon the pun--for W's current blind-rage campaign against Iraq. That's disturbing to say the least. Indeed, I didn't elect this fellow to settle his father's scores. Petulance and revenge are not, in the final analysis, worthy attributes of an American president.
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Post by LS on Oct 10, 2002 22:05:25 GMT -5
Well, Sis, you know that and I know that, but there's a whole HEAP of people what DON'T know that, and THEY think he's a Texan!!! If he didn't play up the accent and that "ah shucks" style and the boots and everything, it'd be a heap easier. And I thought it was Reagan that was the actor... ;D Here I was thinkin' that was just me...I've always said that- he's got rattlesnake eyes. The little beady, wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him, or turn my back on him, kind.
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Post by SanAntonioMike on Oct 10, 2002 22:16:59 GMT -5
Here I was thinkin' that was just me...I've always said that- he's got rattlesnake eyes. The little beady, wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him, or turn my back on him, kind. That's him, Sis. Those are eyes you don't want to see lookin' at you down the barrel of a six-shooter. He belongs in a time WAY gone by.... and then taken care of by the Hickoks and Earps of the age... Looks like a combination of John Wesley Hardin and John King Fisher...
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Post by LS on Oct 10, 2002 22:53:46 GMT -5
As many of you know, I'm a conservative Republican. You would expect me to be rooting for King George II with gigantic pom poms and air horns. But guess what? I'm not enamored of his plans for this nation's military. He's thisclose to involving our troops in a protracted struggle that will net nothing but Americans in body bags. That's not patriotism; it's lunacy. That's not waging war; it's being unable to see the forest for the trees. Mr. Shooter... good to see you around these parts again. Well, you might be a conservative republican- but you are also smart, and didn't think you'd be the type that would support something strictly based on party lines. I myself, while a bona fide registered voter, am not affiliated with any party, I don't buy in to the "party" rhetoric...both Republicans and Democrats have some serious shortcomings- and I usually make my decisions based on the best person for the job...which unfortunately lately, hasn't left much of anything to choose from. I am curious though, because I'm fully unconvinced of any of this, and do not support anything further than resuming the inspections...why am I considered a liberal?? Wouldn't I be the conservative...by not jumping the gun, and demanding legitimate proof before involving this country in such a serious matter?? In light of certain information that's come out in the past day or so...the CIA has made all of DuHbya's arguments pretty much null and void- they don't even have any real proof that Hussein ever actually gassed anyone...And then there's the Pentagon's disclosure (though I find the timing rather curious under the circumstances) regarding the chemical and biological testing that our own government conducted, not only on military personnel, but civillians in Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico, Florida and Canada...I do believe those that live in glass houses, really shouldn't be throwing any stones- it's just looking for trouble. I also have to seriously question our Congress...considering that the great majority have a problem with this themselves, I cannot understand how anyone can go against their better judgement, morals, principles, and/or scruples, and then turn around and give this their support when they have so many reservations- and rightly so. Several have already acknowledged their offices being deluged with phone calls, letters and emails from their constituents voicing their opposition. I'm sorry, but I have yet to run into one person that supports this- and many are indeed diehard Republicans that voted for him- and now deeply regret doing so. I don't buy into the "polls" showing that the American public is behind this- because that's not what I've been seeing at all. To me it's merely govenment propaganda- particularly when you read the fine print and see the polls only involved 500 or 1000 people...in relation to 280 million people- that amounts to far less than a hill of beans- and more a pile of BS. Iraq needs our immediate attention?? Let's see, a French tanker was targeted in a Yemen (shock there!!) port, Kuwaitis are shooting at our military personnel (gee, and weren't they the ones that begged for our help to save them from Hussein...which resulted in the Gulf War?? ), and ditto with the Pakistanis...We have a wacko using humans for target pratice right here. So I'd say we have just a FEW more pressing problems than Iraq that are in need of far more immediate attention!! Who's zoomin' who DuHbya??
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Post by Roughneck on Oct 11, 2002 2:28:34 GMT -5
Well when was the last time we had a good choice for any public office? And where did you get the idea that Congress has morals and principles? My guess is Baby Bush is playing let's make a deal, the same way he's getting other natins onboard. I had seen stuff on the tests on Americans in the 1960s, and i do believe that Hussein gassed people. I do not however believe it is our job to save his people. If they want it they can kick him out. Even the Iraqi defectors saying that the military hates him, of course they'll say that, because that'll help get us in. Wasn't that the premise that the Bay of Pigs was based on though? Someone at school commented that the French tanker was the wrong target because that would turn France against them and they are Al Qeda's best friend. That is the plan though. Both Germany and France specifically have been warned; the two allies who are the most reluctant to war. They will be in a much worse position to oppose war if their ships keep blowing up, may even ask to participate. Al Qeda wants to drag us into a war with Iraq to drum up support on the Arab streets, and when do you think we'll see Osama again? I now fully believe he is alive. But I love how "most Kuwaitis are angered by the attacks" Yeah right! Same as the Palestinians were a year ago! I don't know what to make of all this but that we are being dragged in for the long haul. A handful of people I know support this, and only one unreservedly. Even the supporters want UN backing. If they can give me proof that Hussein has an attack planned by all means attack, but then again what does proof mean to this administration?
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Post by Travelinman on Oct 13, 2002 7:39:46 GMT -5
OH BOY look at what I created!!!!! When I first started this thread it was to let out a lot that I was keeping inside. At the same time I had written to many members of Congress & Senate, only one member even bothered to respond. The junior senator from NY, Senator Clinton. When I heard last night that the resolution pasted I was FURIOUS . Then this morning I check my mail and I had a letter waiting for me from that same Senator. What I received was a copy of her floor speech, very good speech. It called for waiting for the UN. I did send her another e-mail asking if the finished resolution that she passed called for the same. I also siad that if it did not I hope that the president, all of his administration, all members of Congress & Senate, were going to get their sons, daughters, nephews, & neices ready to inlist suit up and lead our troops on the ground into battle. I am awaiting an answer. Until now it was Bush who scared the HELL out of me, but then I read this at the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18257-2002Oct12.htmlAfter y'all read this can anyone say PuppetI also read an article at a British news site that did a survey. They asked the British people about U.S. military action in Iraq, they results overwhelmingly called for the UN to take charge. Ahhhhhh...rational thought from across the pond.
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Post by SanAntonioMike on Oct 13, 2002 13:55:54 GMT -5
Travelinman, that's one hell of an article and it says pretty much what people made jokes about way back when Duhbya first took office (anyone else see the SNL skit where "Bush" was banished to the "kiddie desk" when "Cheney" came into the Oval Office?).
We're justified in being scared to death, when it seems that our beloved America is going to soon be no better than Hitler's Germany -- obsessed with making things "right" as we see it, without thinking whether it's right for the people there or not. Cheney's view of "war is a part of civilization" is skewed a little, considering the Greeks wiped out civilizations everywhere without regard to further their view of what was "right." And then the Romans came right behind them and did the same thing. That's no more "right" than it is "civilized," and fooling himself into thinking it is just because history is full of war is learning the WRONG lessons from history and turning America into aggressive dictators rather than benevolent peacekeepers. "Peacekeeper" does not mean we sit back and do nothing -- it means we fight when we NEED to fight. Thus far, in this thing with Iraq, there has been no evidence shown we NEED to fight. Yes, Hussein is a horrible man, a terrible dictator, and I would not grieve if he accidently cut his own throat while shaving or were accidentally stabbed 14 times in the back; but we should have taken care of him when we were there, but we didn't, and we have no cause to be chasin' after him right now.
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Post by Roughneck on Oct 13, 2002 22:56:21 GMT -5
You know, I thought we elected Bush, not Cheney. How much you wanna bet that the Republicans put Bush up on the ticket because of his name and the fact that Cheney's heart would never let him win, but they really wanted Cheney in charge. Looks like we have done what so many other natins have done, and separated head-of-state and head-of-government. I'm beginning to think Cheney was suppossed to be in charge from the get go according to Republican leadership, even before Bush picked him for running mate.
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Post by LS on Oct 14, 2002 1:16:30 GMT -5
Well when was the last time we had a good choice for any public office? And where did you get the idea that Congress has morals and principles? In reality, there's been some very good people...unfortunately, the catch is that they were not on either the Republican or Democratic ticket, and were considered "spoilers" who were looked upon by the Repubs and Dems as "nuisances" who only took votes away from one "party" or the other. The problem is these independent runners can't compete with the unlimited monetary resources of the 2 major parties which puts them at a distinct disadvantage- and they are denied the right to take part in debates, etc. Until they do something about campaign finance reform- nothing's going to change on that front. And Congress will never reform things- it would upset the apple cart- and forever destroy the eternal fight for power and control...and partisanship between the two parties. The point I was gettin' at is, there ARE some individuals in Congress that actually do have their principles and morals and they don't compromise them- their accomplishments and voting records bear this out. It was extremely disheartening, bewildering, and disappointing to see that some of them went against their beliefs NOW...especially on this issue- which is virtually giving a loaded gun to a very dangerous man. And just maybe it was a "warning" to the rest of the world that if they get involved with this Iraq thing- they're all gonna be made fair game too... And now we have Bali...a highly popular international tourist destination, and Indonesia/Phillipines is a heavily Muslim area. Congress has now handed over the blank check. Instead of staying on course and systematically routing out terrorist cells globally, something that has the full support of the world, our gov't decides to provoke a war with a country for absolutely no logical reason, the logic of which seems to elude the rest of the world too, and who therefore do not support such an action. This gov't has absolutely NO idea what they have just unleashed- and there's going to be hell be pay, and payments are going to be collected in the form of thousands of innocent lives- not only here- but all over the world, and not only military, but civilian men women and children, and only an absolute fool wouldn't have seen this coming. We did?? And here I thought all along the people elected Gore- and the Supreme Court appointed DuHbya 'cause Florida just can't seem to get that voting thing right...
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