Very Interesting/Not Surprising

[SweetNadine]

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[LS]

Yep it's very interesting...I've lost count of the number of longtime stalwarts in the Republican party who've jumped ship since the 2000 'election'...and all of them have said the exact same thing as their reason for leaving the party- because the people currently in power aren't Republicans. (And it's a telling statement when the Crawford paper turned around and endorsed...Kerry!! )

I think it's pretty interesting too that we haven't been seeing any prominent Democrats who've left their party due to so-called 'radical lefties' like Moore or Dean- or the alleged 'flip-flopper' Kerry .

[Roland]

As for myself, I'd like to be a fly in the polling booth when McCain casts his vote.

[Roughneck]

Bush's Domestic Policy Gap

By Dana Milbank


Will the "guy" from Ground Zero please identify himself? Bush has had some difficulty with his recollection, used to finish almost every speech about his moment on Sept. 14, 2001, atop the rubble of the twin towers. Back in February of this year, as the Web site Salon documented, Bush remembered "a guy pointing at me and saying, 'Don't let me down.' " In May, the figure became "a guy in a hard hat" and then "the firefighter." In June, he became an ensemble of "tired firefighters and police and rescue workers," who said, collectively, "Don't let us down." In July, it was "a fireman or a policeman, I can't remember which one, looking me in the eyes." Presently, Bush added to the tale, saying the guy "grabbed me by the arm." He then added "bloodshot eyes and sweat pouring" to the portrait.

In August, Bush said the fellow, "a firefighter or a policeman," was "looking through the rubble for one of his buddies." The "buddy" morphed into "a loved one" and "somebody that he worked with," then back into a "buddy." By September, Bush had dropped the buddy but developed new recollections about the guy. "I remember a guy grabbed me by the arm, a big old burly firefighter, I guess he was a firefighter. He said: 'Do not let me down.' "



© 2004 The Washington Post Company

[Roland]

That's interesting since I'd read that gentleman's been a staunch Bush supporter since that day and had been invited to attend several Republican affairs. I wonder if he's still a staunch supporter now.

That one reminds me of this article I ran across.

Bush Again Confuses IDs of Two Terrorists
By DEB RIECHMANN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON -- President Bush might have been able to say it was simply a slip of the tongue when he confused two terrorists in a campaign speech Monday in New Hampshire. Trouble is, he's made the same misstatement at least 10 times before.

During remarks in Derry, N.H., Bush said the late terrorist Abu Nidal killed Leon Klinghoffer, a 69-year-old Jewish American who died after being tossed -- along with his wheelchair -- off a hijacked cruise liner named Achille Lauro in 1985.

"Do you remember Abu Nidal?" Bush asked the crowd. "He's the guy that killed Leon Klinghoffer. Leon Klinghoffer was murdered because of his religion. Abu Nidal was in Baghdad, as was his organization."

He repeated the mistake Monday evening at a campaign event in New York City: "Abu Nidal was a cold-blooded terrorist killer who killed Leon Klinghoffer."

Actually, it was Abul Abbas, the leader of a violent Palestinian group, who killed Klinghoffer.

The White House had no immediate comment on the mix-up.

Abbas, who was captured in Baghdad last year, was the mastermind of the Achille Lauro hijacking. His faction of the Palestinian Liberation Front operated out of Tunisia until the cruise ship attack, then relocated to Iraq. U.S. officials say Abbas died of heart disease on March 10 while in U.S. custody in Iraq.

Abu Nidal, a Palestinian renegade, died in Baghdad in 2002. His terrorist organization had been blamed for scores of atrocities, including the 1985 attacks on Rome and Vienna airports in which 20 people were killed and the 1986 attack on a synagogue in Istanbul in which 22 Jewish worshippers were massacred.

Bush's mistake, overlooked for weeks, is buried in his stump speech -- in the section where he makes a case that Saddam Hussein had links to terrorist groups. Indeed, Abu Nidal is believed to have had connections to the former Iraqi leader. But he didn't kill Klinghoffer.

"Remember Abu Nidal?" Bush asked Aug. 28 in Lima, Ohio. "He's the guy that killed Leon Klinghoffer because he was Jewish? He found safe haven in Iraq. In other words, terrorist groups were in this guy's country."

"We knew Saddam Hussein's record of aggression and his support for terror," he told another crowd Sept. 13 in Battle Creek, Mich. "Abu Nidal, the guy who killed Leon Klinghoffer, he and his organization were in Baghdad."

"He had terrorist ties," Bush told an audience Sept. 16 in Blaine, Minn. "Remember Abu Nidal? He was the guy that killed Leon Klinghoffer. He was in Baghdad, and so was his organization."

[LS]

Hey what'dya expect??...when the idiot supposedly had absolutely no recollection of ever saying he didn't think bin Laden was important and didn't spend time thinking about him... I had to be physically restrained from bashing in the TV screen when that denial came spewing out of his mouth- because that's one statement he DID make that's forever vividly seared in my memory.
Wonder if the egg all over his face after that one was cooked...or raw.

[Roughneck]

Yup, my mom was SCREAMING at the TV, especially at the expiration of the assault weapons ban. I was just laughing at what an ass Bush was making of himself cause I'm becoming more and more sure that Bush is gonna get his ass handed to him. ;D Thing is, that's been out there, I'm surprised that it hasn't been turned into a commercial already.

[Roland]

My jaw hit the floor too when he made that comment on never making that bin Laden comment! My jaw was hanging open through most of his comments. The assault weapons was one. The vet benefits were another. They just closed down two VA hospitals in my area! Then there was the complete sidestep after he was questioned on the minimum wage and his non-answer was some babble about education that had nothing to do with the question and lost me!

[LS]

Roughneck said:

I was just laughing at what an ass Bush was making of himself cause I'm becoming more and more sure that Bush is gonna get his ass handed to him. ;D

Yeah...I'm pretty much with you and Roland- the load of BS that came out of his mouth was hysterical...I loved the one on the minimum wage too. 'Education'...yeah right- tell that to some 50 year old guy that lost his job after 30 years.

Bet he can name 3 mistakes he's made now!! First one he was just a babbling idiot, second one he was a sreaming maniac and this one he was an inappropriate laughing/grinning fool... Yep...there's some real leadership qualities for ya.

Thing is, that's been out there, I'm surprised that it hasn't been turned into a commercial already.

I'm pretty sure I read they did make one...least on the bin Laden denial. Most likely it'll only run in the 'swing' states though.

[snizz]

Roland said:

As for myself, I'd like to be a fly in the polling booth when McCain casts his vote.

You and me both brother! ;D

LS said:

Hey what'dya expect??...when the idiot supposedly had absolutely no recollection of ever saying he didn't think bin Laden was important and didn't spend time thinking about him... I had to be physically restrained from bashing in the TV screen when that denial came spewing out of his mouth- because that's one statement he DID make that's forever vividly seared in my memory.
Wonder if the egg all over his face after that one was cooked...or raw.

I spent the morning fixing the hole in the wall I put my fist through after he had the unfrigginbelievable balls to say that. God, what I'd give to permanently wipe that smug smirk off that two bit little weasel's face.

[LS]

snizz said:

I spent the morning fixing the hole in the wall I put my fist through after he had the unfrigginbelievable balls to say that. God, what I'd give to permanently wipe that smug smirk off that two bit little weasel's face.

Well snizzster...two weeks to go and I guess we'll have to settle on the hope of getting front row seats to witness his ultimate humiliation- the thing that might finally wipe that arrogant little smirk off his face once and for all...his concession speech.

[Roughneck]

LS said:

Well snizzster...two weeks to go and I guess we'll have to settle on the hope of getting front row seats to witness his ultimate humiliation- the thing that might finally wipe that arrogant little smirk off his face once and for all...his concession speech.

I'm actually extemely worried as to what tricks he has laying in wait for Election Day given his refusal to even concede the possibility in any way shape or form that he might be beaten, even given how close this race is. Not even the usual line about "we'll let the American people decide."

[snizz]

LS said:

Well snizzster...two weeks to go and I guess we'll have to settle on the hope of getting front row seats to witness his ultimate humiliation- the thing that might finally wipe that arrogant little smirk off his face once and for all...his concession speech.

I guess I can settle for that. ;D The optimist in me has a tape all ready to go for that highly anticipated moment so I can sit back and smirk while replaying it over and over again.

[snizz]

Roughneck said:

I'm actually extemely worried as to what tricks he has laying in wait for Election Day given his refusal to even concede the possibility in any way shape or form that he might be beaten, even given how close this race is. Not even the usual line about "we'll let the American people decide."

No one really knows how close this race will be. The polls all say opposite things and nobody knows what all those newly registered voters are going to do. All these doomsday predictions remind me of the Y2K disasters that were supposed to have happened and they never did.

[Roland]

snizz said:

No one really knows how close this race will be. The polls all say opposite things and nobody knows what all those newly registered voters are going to do. All these doomsday predictions remind me of the Y2K disasters that were supposed to have happened and they never did.

I agree with you on this one. The Yankees were supposed to beat the Red Sox, the Jets were supposed to beat the Patriots and the Cards were supposed to cruise their way to the WS ring and it hasn't worked out that way. Maybe it's a sign of things to come?