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Post by SweetNadine on Jul 31, 2004 14:55:22 GMT -5
www.esquire.com/features/articles/2004/040729_mfe_reagan_1.html The Case Against George W. Bush The son of the fortieth president of the United States takes a hard look at the son of the forty-first and does not like what he sees By Ron Reagan September 2004, Volume 142, Issue 3 Illustration by Tim O'Brien page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
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Post by LS on Aug 3, 2004 23:28:44 GMT -5
Well if I recollect right...Ronnie Jr. never had much good to say about his old man's policies- so this doesn't come as much of a surprise. His publically speaking out against DuHbya's policies definitely doesn't hurt- but no surprise. But Nancy passing on the GOP's Garden Party...now that one was a major blow to the Bushies. Looks like the DuHbya's on his own- since it doesn't look like the GOP god is with him.
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Post by Roughneck on Aug 3, 2004 23:58:42 GMT -5
Not surprising, no, but it definitely puts egg on their face being that he's the son of their idol (isn't idol worship a sin? ) and especially the man who Bush tries to pass himself off as.
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Post by SweetNadine on Aug 14, 2004 11:10:00 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the Larry King interview with the Bush's? They found it very convenient to visit with Nancy prior to the interview. I doubt that Ron's opinion will be swayed by their afternoon tea with his mother. I doubt he will issue an apology for his poignant article. And I doubt the visit will overshadow the article.
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Post by Roland on Aug 16, 2004 22:41:44 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the Larry King interview with the Bush's? They found it very convenient to visit with Nancy prior to the interview. I doubt that Ron's opinion will be swayed by their afternoon tea with his mother. I doubt he will issue an apology for his poignant article. And I doubt the visit will overshadow the article. I missed that interview, but I did see the nice pictures they made sure they had taken with her. This man leaves no photo-op behind. LS recollects correctly. Ron was always very outspoken and has his own views and yes, they often clashed with this own father's. He's not interested in partisan politics. He's interested in the issues and supports people he feels would be best able to resolve them, regardless of party lines.
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Post by SweetNadine on Aug 17, 2004 19:10:50 GMT -5
Yep LS recollects correctly. Ron Reagan Jr. is an avowed atheist, of which I neither condemn or condone. But, I will say that if many alleged Christians had his heart and compassion for their fellow citizens, things would probably be much different in our country. I don't think we would be suffering the division we are seeing today. I'll add too, I think that many of the phoney talking heads on the airwaves during working hours have helped to create the division.
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Post by LS on Aug 22, 2004 23:22:14 GMT -5
I'll add too, I think that many of the phoney talking heads on the airwaves during working hours have helped to create the division. I agree with you there Alice...I've been seeing that since Clinton was in office. The media's been reduced to 20 second soundbites taken out of context and then used untruthfully and from what I've seen most people don't read beyond a sensation grabbing headline that insinuates one thing- but might actually say something else. That old saying- 'don't believe everything you see, only half of what you read and nothing you hear'- has been lost on the vast majority of people today.
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Post by Mr._Shooter on Aug 23, 2004 19:54:49 GMT -5
Yep LS recollects correctly. Ron Reagan Jr. is an avowed atheist, of which I neither condemn or condone. But, I will say that if many alleged Christians had his heart and compassion for their fellow citizens, things would probably be much different in our country. I don't think we would be suffering the division we are seeing today. I'll add too, I think that many of the phoney talking heads on the airwaves during working hours have helped to create the division. Alice, to your point about Christians in this country, I agree wholeheartedly (and regretfully), but this country isn't alone in manifesting Christian hypocrisy. And as someone who ATTEMPTS to follow in Jesus' footsteps but fails miserably on a daily basis , I'm not inclined to castigate my fellow Christians for not being on the same political page. I think the stronger point you made is that the media fuels and instigates much of the hostility and division we see in America today. If Americans are INSTRUCTED, either subliminally or explicitly, to associate and identify only with those of like political orientation, they naturally will do so. But absent any such instruction, acting on instinct, fueled by times of crisis (i.e., 9-11), Americans spit the in the face of politics and DO come together.
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Post by SweetNadine on Aug 24, 2004 18:30:17 GMT -5
I agree with you there Alice...I've been seeing that since Clinton was in office. The media's been reduced to 20 second soundbites taken out of context and then used untruthfully and from what I've seen most people don't read beyond a sensation grabbing headline that insinuates one thing- but might actually say something else. That old saying- 'don't believe everything you see, only half of what you read and nothing you hear'- has been lost on the vast majority of people today. Good ol' Rushbo is the one who got all of this started. I'll be candid, I don't like him, I never have liked him. He is a hypocrite. And I had decided he was a hypocrite long before his drug addiction was exposed. Of course, nowadays, the doctor shopping allegations are all a "vast left wing conspiracy." And all of the outpouring of sympathy, for this "poor man," when the scandal hit the airwaves. I wonder how much sympathy someone sitting in jail, tonight, has for him? IMO, most of these conservative talking radio heads have an agenda. They have a deep seated hatred for liberals and the famous " liberal media." All the while, they are taking dope, gambling and profiting from pushing another's misfortune. When caught they feel it is the "liberal agenda" in this country is to blame. If rushbo could have the ratings and make the money he is making by pushing what he labels the "liberal agenda" he would do so. It's all about the ratings and money supplied by apathetic citizens who choose not to read or look for the facts themselves. Rushbo lives on the old cliche "ignorance is bliss." Apathy and ignorance have made him a fortune. How many more predictions will be made by the talking radio heads that Hillary and Bill are going to be behind a scandal to ruin John Kerry? This current attack on Kerry looks as though it came from Bush and his cronies. I've yet to hear anyone utter "it's all coming from the Clinton's. How many more people are going to write bash books against the Clinton's? To hear them tell it, they are doing the American public a favor by writing these tell-all books. I listened to Bill Clinton on Larry King Live not long ago. This man appeared to be glad he is out of politics. He appeared more interested in opening his library and working on the AIDS project in Africa. I did not hear any wishing and hoping in his conversation indicating that he is in anticipation of Hillary running for President. However, he did say that he told her before they got married that she would make a good politician. I guess one good thing might come out of Hillary's running for President, maybe it would clean-up the polluted radio airwaves if most of the radio heads kept their promise to leave the country.
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Post by SweetNadine on Aug 24, 2004 19:03:26 GMT -5
Alice, to your point about Christians in this country, I agree wholeheartedly (and regretfully), but this country isn't alone in manifesting Christian hypocrisy. And as someone who ATTEMPTS to follow in Jesus' footsteps but fails miserably on a daily basis , I'm not inclined to castigate my fellow Christians for not being on the same political page. I think the stronger point you made is that the media fuels and instigates much of the hostility and division we see in America today. If Americans are INSTRUCTED, either subliminally or explicitly, to associate and identify only with those of like political orientation, they naturally will do so. But absent any such instruction, acting on instinct, fueled by times of crisis (i.e., 9-11), Americans spit the in the face of politics and DO come together. I'm not castigating Christians Mr. Shooter. I was referring to people who call themselves Christians, but, their behavior shows otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I am very conservative on many issues. But, when leaders of this Nation call themselves Christians and play the mindgames with citizens lives - I have a problem with the behavior. IMO, there are way too many pols who take the Constitution, wad it up, and wipe their butts with it, then parade themselves around for photo ops at church and in other public arenas as caring, compassionate Christians looking out for the citizens. And I believe there are pols too, using moral issues to deceive people, in efforts to garner votes.
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Post by LS on Aug 25, 2004 15:12:19 GMT -5
Yep Alice- he's the one...the original posterboy and mouthpiece for hypocrites everywhere. The land where the law applies to everyone except rich, white people- who can get away with everything from murder (see our current First 'Lady' Laura Bush or Robert Durst) to felony assault (see Lizzie Grubman) to corporate embezzlement (see Kenny Lay) to illegal procurement of drugs and drug addiction (see Limbaugh himself). Their agendas are ridiculously transparent and their hypocrisy is laughable to say the least. They hung Bill Clinton out to dry for having an affair with an intern. How many Republicans wound up resigning during that witch hunt because they were guilty of the same thing?? Limbaugh proclaims that all drug addicts are lowlifes who should all die. But when it's uncovered he's one himself- that's different- he's a 'victim' They blast Hillary as a 'carpetbagger' for running for the Senate in NY...but it's ok when they decide to export a politician of their own- Alan Keyes from Maryland to run against Barack Obama in Illinois. I have no use, time or sympathy for the ignorant sheeple who choose to be led around by the nose by these hatemongers. Ignorance is bliss...until the knock on the door comes for them- and then they'll be the ones who scream the loudest. After 12 years I'm beyond sick of hearing their same old tired baseless, paranoid and irrational Clinton bashing routine. When I 'bash' DuHbya- it's based on facts...his pathetic record of screwed up policies that have done nothing to better this country- and have only made our lives worse. When they 'bash' the Clintons- it's never based on fact or policy...they can only stoop to meanspirited namecalling, mudslinging and innuendo. I won't even listen to that garbage- I walk away because listening to tirades that consist of nothing but insults and fabrications are a waste of my time. I have better things to do with my time like speaking to people with informed and intelligent thoughts- even if I may not agree with their viewpoint. Bill is more interested and happier working on humanitarian issues than being in politics. I think he'll follow in Jimmy Carter's footsteps and spend the rest of his life doing that. Hillary I don't believe has any interest in becoming President- I think she has had her fill of the White House and has seen the limitations of that position (when held by people who live up to their oath to uphold the Constitution and not by those who wipe their butts with it and abuse the office). I think she's content remaining in the Senate which has the real power of passing laws, reforms and programs. And to be very honest- this country is still run by the 'good old boys'...and until the last of the Cold War addicted survivors are dead- they'll never allow a woman to become President. We haven't even had a female VP- and only one woman in our history has ever been on a Presidential ticket as VP- and it was the one that lost.
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Post by Mr._Shooter on Aug 26, 2004 9:06:07 GMT -5
I'm not castigating Christians Mr. Shooter. I was referring to people who call themselves Christians, but, their behavior shows otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I am very conservative on many issues. But, when leaders of this Nation call themselves Christians and play the mindgames with citizens lives - I have a problem with the behavior. IMO, there are way too many pols who take the Constitution, wad it up, and wipe their butts with it, then parade themselves around for photo ops at church and in other public arenas as caring, compassionate Christians looking out for the citizens. And I believe there are pols too, using moral issues to deceive people, in efforts to garner votes. Alice, I'm with you on this. We all have hypocritical moments, but our missteps generally don't affect world politics and the lives of countless others.
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Post by SweetNadine on Aug 26, 2004 18:20:37 GMT -5
You purty much summed it up LittleSister! And, in quite an elegant manner. Mr. Shooter, some people may look at Bush and see an upright man, but, I see a fine shining example of an egomanic spreading his poison throughout the world. I'm glad you understand my point.
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Post by Mr._Shooter on Aug 26, 2004 18:59:06 GMT -5
Alice, I look at Bush and I can't believe he's our president. In my eyes, he may have seemed to be a man of conviction at way back when, but now he's just another in a long line of politicians who trade on convenience and expedience. And most disturbingly, Bush is able to play this game even though he lacks the sophistication of the Bill Clintons of this world.
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Post by Roland on Aug 26, 2004 22:55:36 GMT -5
I have to take the talking head indictment a step further and include the evangelist element such as Billy Graham, Jim Baker and Jerry Falwell. These men are supposedly religious leaders? Do they really preach love, respect, tolerance and peace? Or do they worship power and money and take advantage of the less fortunate along the way?
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